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  Watchtower’s 53 Date Failures -- Prophetic Declarations Quietly Abandoned

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a paste of the front of my recent essay.

  ask most jws today and they'll tell you that, yes, watchtower has made a few mistakes -- that there are a couple date failures -- 1925 -- and maybe another one they can't even remember.. lest they forget, the following should jog their collective memories as to how egregious watchtower has been in their obsession with date predictions (oh, but we don't make predictions, they may tell you) over the 138 years of watchtower history.. len miller.

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  FatFreek 2005

  ooops! I fogot the link. Here it is.

  Len
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  Watchtower’s 53 Date Failures -- Prophetic Declarations Quietly Abandoned

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a paste of the front of my recent essay.

  ask most jws today and they'll tell you that, yes, watchtower has made a few mistakes -- that there are a couple date failures -- 1925 -- and maybe another one they can't even remember.. lest they forget, the following should jog their collective memories as to how egregious watchtower has been in their obsession with date predictions (oh, but we don't make predictions, they may tell you) over the 138 years of watchtower history.. len miller.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Below is a paste of the front of my recent essay. Ask most JWs today and they'll tell you that, yes, Watchtower has made a few mistakes -- that there are a couple date failures -- 1925 -- and maybe another one they can't even remember.

  Lest they forget, the following should jog their collective memories as to how egregious Watchtower has been in their obsession with date predictions (Oh, but we don't make predictions, they may tell you) over the 138 years of Watchtower history.

  Len Miller

  
  
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  The 26 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower’s Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a paste of the front of this, my recent, essay.

  most jws, and lurkers here, have never really thought of the scope of watchtower's 1914 prophecy.

  to them, 1914 was a simple one and done -- a mistake was made and it's been corrected.

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  Smiddy, that makes the effort all worthwhile. Thanks.

  We are now 102 years north of THE BIG DATE and there's no telling what method the Watchtower will take to spin their way out. However, the Overlapping Generation teaching proves they'll go to any length.
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  The 26 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower’s Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a paste of the front of this, my recent, essay.

  most jws, and lurkers here, have never really thought of the scope of watchtower's 1914 prophecy.

  to them, 1914 was a simple one and done -- a mistake was made and it's been corrected.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Dreamerdude: I wonder if Russell was so completely deluded that it hastened his death when his prophecy did not come true.

  I wonder that as well. Numerologist that he became, he and others thought they had it all figured with Daniel, Revelation, etc. You could tell by his writing, as 1914 approached, how he had become upset when challenged by certain letters from readers.
  

  Steve2: I recall reading in a Watchtower from the late 1960s about the disappointment then older Witnesses experienced, growing old in this system of things, having expected the end well before then.
  

  On a similar vein, the 1975 yearbook did it for me. There they were beginning to blame the flock for the 1975 fiasco, recollecting the 1925 event fifty years earlier.
  

  Here is where WT published some past recollection -- an obvious inaccuracy -- by one of its devoted members.
  

  " . . . So, as Anna MacDonald recalls: '1925 was a sad year for many brothers. Some of them were stumbled; their hopes were dashed ... Instead of its being considered a 'probability', they read into it that it was a 'certainty', and some prepared for their own loved ones with expectancy of their resurrection." 1975 Yearbook, p. 146.
  

  They couldn’t have solicited a better testimony. Here, the blurred reminiscence of some innocent elderly person would serve their purpose far better than taking a few steps into their vast Bethel library to write down an exact -- yet most important -- honest reference.
  

  Len
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  The 26 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower’s Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a paste of the front of this, my recent, essay.

  most jws, and lurkers here, have never really thought of the scope of watchtower's 1914 prophecy.

  to them, 1914 was a simple one and done -- a mistake was made and it's been corrected.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Thanks, Perry -- and thanks for your perspective.

  And BruisedAndBleeding12 for the compliment. PDF format, for me, is easiest to WYSIWYG especially with cross refs, bookmarks, endnotes, tables, embedding graphics, etc. It's all free using Libre Writer.
  

  I know, being retired I've got too much time on my hands.
  

  Thanks Chook for thinking outside the box.
  

  Len
  

  
  
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  The 26 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower’s Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a paste of the front of this, my recent, essay.

  most jws, and lurkers here, have never really thought of the scope of watchtower's 1914 prophecy.

  to them, 1914 was a simple one and done -- a mistake was made and it's been corrected.

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  Well noted, Finkelstein.

  It is my belief that as Russell began his religious studies and got exposed to the adventism of those days -- looking over the computations of Miller and his ilk, he got hooked that maybe those guys had it all figured out. He saw Miller's failed mid 1840s two dates, spotted (he thought) some flaws in Miller's ciphers and finally decided to go out on his own. Yes, he met Barbour, yada, yada. But Russell had some cash on hand, was eloquent, and charismatic -- all the tools needed to crank out some written dogma. The world at the time was ripe.

  I suspect he even believed the whole thing -- till 1914 came and went.

  By that time the movement was like a huge ocean liner, hard to stop or turn around. By that time there were too many of Russell's cronies, Rutherford included, who had swallowed the Koolaid and were happy just going along for the ride. Everybody at headquarters patting each other on the back. Russell drinking in the adoration -- yes, he was human. And don't forget, money from all over the world was coming in.

  The rest is history.

  Len
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  The 26 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower’s Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  below is a paste of the front of this, my recent, essay.

  most jws, and lurkers here, have never really thought of the scope of watchtower's 1914 prophecy.

  to them, 1914 was a simple one and done -- a mistake was made and it's been corrected.

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  Below is a paste of the front of this, my recent, essay. Most JWs, and lurkers here, have never really thought of the scope of Watchtower's 1914 prophecy. To them, 1914 was a simple one and done -- a mistake was made and it's been corrected. Most aren't aware of all the conditions, 26 of them by my count, that were stipulated by Watchtower publications prior to that cornerstone date.

  The early Watchtower (well, Zion's Watch Tower, etc.) publications, as you will see, went through a progression of adjustments to many of these predicted conditions. It was also enlightening to me to see, as 1914 neared, the hedging of uncertainty creep in to their writings.

  Len

  
  
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  Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

  i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

  but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

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  Alfred, this is a great piece of work -- that research you did some 6 years ago. Time to resurrect it especially in view of the recently dropped Watchtower teaching of 1919.

  Len
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  Are there stats for this site?

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wondering if simon or anyone else have statistics for this site?i.e.

  how many users are there?

  how many posts have ever been made?perhaps a graph showing how many users there were at a given time?

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  FatFreek 2005

  I've been a member here since 2005 and at that time I was able to ascertain that there were more than 50,000 members of this forum. That, of course, doesn't mean they were all active. Many, I'm sure, were only "one and done" members.

  Only Simon, however, could give you some type of number with any kind of validity.
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  Has 1919 been abandoned? Is the sky falling?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i copied the following two items from jw dot orgs site entitled “dates of prophetic significance” at site below:.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200271564.

  once held to be year when ‘true lord and messenger of the covenant’ came to spiritual temple (mal 3:1): w10 3/15 23; w07 4/1 22; w07 12/15 27-28; jd 179-182; re 31-32, 55-56; w92 12/1 13; w89 4/15 7; w89 7/1 30; w87 6/15 14-15. .

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  See the original post (and jw.org source page) on this one. On that same page adjacent to the 1919 date are the following 30 additional item that happen on that date. Are we supposed to abandon these as well?

  1919,

  1. 144,000 begin “singing as if a new song” (Re 14:3): re 200

  2. antitypical Festival of Booths resumes: w96 7/1 24

  3. Babylon the Great falls (Re 14:8; 18:2): re 205-206, 209, 259-261; w89 5/1 3-5; w88 12/15 20-21

  4. birth of new nation (Isa 66:8): w14 11/15 26; re 183-184; ip-2 397-400; w94 1/15 14

  5. ‘disgusting thing placed’ (Da 12:11): dp 300; w93 11/1 10-11

  6. dry bones come to life (Eze 37): w16.03 30-31

  7. “faithful and discreet slave” ‘appointed over master’s domestics’ (Mt 24:45): kr 23-24; w13 7/15 21-22; w13 12/15 16

  8. ‘fire hurled to earth’ (Re 8:5): w09 1/15 32; re 131-132

  9. flight to “valley of my mountains” begins (Zec 14:5): w13 2/15 19-20

  10. ‘four angels untied’ (Re 9:15): re 149-151; w88 12/15 13

  11. harvest actually begins (Mt 13; Re 14): kr 88-89; re 211-212

  12. Jehovah’s chariotlike heavenly organization gets in touch with Ezekiel class (Eze 1): w91 3/15 11

  13. Jehovah’s spirit begins to be poured out on remnant (Joe 2:28, 29): w98 5/1 14-15

  14. “key of the house of David” placed on shoulder of remnant (Isa 22:22): w09 1/15 31

  15. locusts swarm from abyss (Re 9): re 143-148; w89 4/1 17-18; w88 12/15 12-13

  16. once held to be year “faithful and discreet slave” ‘appointed over master’s belongings’ (Mt 24:47): w04 3/1 12; wt 131

  17. once held to be year faithful slaves ‘appointed over many things’ (Mt 25:21, 23): w15 3/15 24; w04 3/1 17

  18. once held to be year virgins hear cry, “Here is the bridegroom!” (Mt 25:6): w15 3/15 14; w04 3/1 14

  19. “opened door” set before remnant (Re 3:8): re 60-65

  20. remnant “come quivering to Jehovah” (Hos 3:5): w91 8/15 17

  21. remnant eat “little scroll” (Re 10:8-11): re 159-160

  22. remnant figuratively resurrected: dp 290-291; w88 10/15 13; w87 7/1 21-23

  23. remnant freed from Babylon the Great: w16.11 30; ip-2 74; ip-1 400-401; w89 5/1 4-5

  24. remnant ‘hold possession of land’ (Isa 60:21): w02 7/1 18; ip-2 319-320

  25. remnant refined (Isa 1:24-27): ip-1 32-34

  26. remnant restored to spiritual paradise: ip-1 380; w91 5/15 16

  27. remnant step before “waters” of mankind (Jos 3:15-17): w86 12/15 13

  28. two witnesses resurrected (Re 11:11, 12): w14 11/15 30; re 169-170

  29. “Way of Holiness” opened (Isa 35:8): ip-1 380-381; ws 132-134

  30. “your God has become king” begins to be declared (Isa 52:7): ip-2 187